| karennma 8,057 posts
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 | 2/6/2018 10:23:56 AM 
 Sorry guys.  I didn't mean to go "Anna Navarro" on you this morning.  LOL!
 Please PRAY that I didn't destroy my laptop when I spilled water on it yesterday.
 
 @ Four,
 DEFINITION of 'Wasting Asset'
 An item that irreversibly declines in value, as a function of time.
 
 BREAKING DOWN 'Wasting Asset'
 In investing, options are the most common type of wasting asset.
 
 Click here:
 https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/wastingasset.asp
 
 
 
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| pthomas215 1,251 posts
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 | 2/6/2018 10:27:23 AM 
 na na, na na na na heeeeyyyyy gooodbye...for those of you thinking about real estate investment and development, XIV is a great example of why i left it.  this happens in real estate investment as well. the only difference is you have no ability to exit in real estate and you watch your net worth drop.  I do not recommend it, even though you will make a ton once in a while.
 
 
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| Mactheriverrat 3,173 posts
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 | 2/6/2018 3:15:58 PM 
 This whole thread was started showing when one should got out of XIV- One can see that when thing really went to hell in a hand basket that sellers really kicked in to  see who could get out the fastest. GREED ! I'm sure there are even fund mangers who were playing XIV.
 
 One can see XIV was going down - To me one should have been out short term long before the CRAP hit the fan!
 
 
  
 
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| pthomas215 1,251 posts
 msg #141970
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 | 2/6/2018 4:21:24 PM 
 Mac, you are correct once again.  and i certainly hope people dont think i am celebrating people's losses. i just think it pays to be cautious, small positions, tight stops.
 
 
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| karennma 8,057 posts
 msg #141971
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 | 2/6/2018 5:07:45 PM 
 @ Mac,
 Do you know how to enhance that Guppy filter by adding the flip from short to long and vice versa.
 It would actually be two separate filters;  one when it flips from short to long and the other when it flips from long to short.
 
 Or anyone .... know how to write that?
 
 
 
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| dtatu 143 posts
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 | 2/6/2018 7:07:49 PM 
 https://www.barchart.com/etfs-funds/quotes/XIV/technical-chart?plot=CANDLE&volume=total&data=DO&density=M&pricesOn=0&asPctChange=0&logscale=0&indicators=MACD(12,26,9);STOSL(5,3);TREND;SMA(10);SMA(100);EXPMA(10);EXPMA(100)&sym=XIV&grid=1&height=500&studyheight=100
 
 I usually use daily SAR filter to get out 1/3 to 1/2 of my position; the other half I exit on the weekly SAR
 - I might filter it with thr TREND SPOTTER ( above), which is less tight than SAR.
 Actually , anybody has the SF " Trend spotter" code?
 
 
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| Mactheriverrat 3,173 posts
 msg #141976
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 | 2/6/2018 7:11:01 PM 
 @PT No I wasn't thinking that at all- I was just saying the the short term get out  signs were there . It would have save anyone anywhere the pain of the see who could get out the fastest when XIV took a CRASH.
 
 @Karen Not right off hand but I will take a stab at it soon!
 
 
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| mahkoh 1,065 posts
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 | 2/7/2018 2:28:54 PM 
 In the rearview mirror it is a lot easier to see when you should have gotten out. Problem is that on previous occasions a big red candle below the longterm guppy lines proved to be an excellent opportunity to buy.
 
 
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| sandjco 648 posts
 msg #142007
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 | 2/7/2018 7:00:51 PM 
 this black swan event was bizarre leading to CS to terminate it.  the spike was just plain weird.
 
 
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| four 5,087 posts
 msg #142017
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 | 2/8/2018 8:02:10 AM 
 https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/02/06/the-simple-math-behind-the-inverse-volatility-etf.aspx
 
 
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